J: I wasn't being moralistic, they are just so alone and sad. A: It is more undetermined than simply unnatural or undignified they have attained a purer interiority than we ever will. J: You mean a kind of terminal narcissism, I don't think it's very spiritual. A: No one can ever share in their high, you may think it's vain but it's a pure union. J: I think that is sad. A: It's noble because of the extreme risk. J: I guess that's what double indemnity is for.