*** Now talking in #sentimental <even> i am here *** uboy (lamarcs@166-197-183.ipt.aol.com) has joined #sentimental <uboy> hello <uboy> its lamar <uboy> somewas using my nickname <uboy> someone <even> i know <even> hi hi hi <uboy> hello <uboy> did you chat with other lamar? <even> no but you should finger him... <even> or her <even> ! <uboy> i might try later <even> good morning <even> it is screens of fuck you! very rude <uboy> thanks, how are you? <even> drunk <uboy> lovely <even> went to lunch with parents and had 2 bottles of wine... burp <even> and it is only 5:20 <uboy> wow!!! <uboy> an early start... <even> but i shall endevour to be creative <uboy> as shall i <even> my connection is slow... might get disconnected... how are you, sleepy? <uboy> no, not too bad .... been up for sevaeral hours <even> i edited our 2 other talks and they are actually postable... quite personal yet interesting and things are said... slightly on the confessional side, hmm <uboy> i don't remeber being too confessional <uboy> can you send? <even> it is just the honesty of it all, opening up the process thing <uboy> yes, that's good <uboy> that's where things will happen <uboy> our own things <even> indeed <uboy> i'd like too see your edit <uboy> can you send <uboy> ? <even> i will send later it is long and in word so needs to be converted <even> were you able to prepare? <uboy> ok, look forward to that later <uboy> yes, i have some thoughts <even> i think the chats will work well as it is so personal really even with the shit cut out <even> never thought i'd say that <uboy> yes, i think it's better to just go with the flow, then edit later <even> yes <uboy> more chance that something great will happen <even> so did you prepare? <uboy> yes, where to start? <uboy> well.. <even> . <even> . <even> So what do you find interesting about these stories? <uboy> yes, content is an area i was thinking about <uboy> aswell <uboy> it is a crucial point <even> i have been reading a lot about M Barney and feel complicite <uboy> no necessaarily <even> not surely <uboy> he constrcuts his operettas <uboy> his own metaphor world <even> but he is all about the thrid sex which is auto-sexual meaning autoerotic <even> metaphor is another device which is as easy as irony, too easy, certainly avoidable <even> <even> metaphor is another device which is as easy as irony, too easy, certainly avoidable <even> <even> metaphor is another device which is as easy as irony, too easy, certainly avoidable <even> opps <uboy> so nice, you said it thrice <uboy> ]but, i agree <even> metaphor is the only way anything can have meaning <uboy> so, parallel is the alternative, right <even> no parallel is possibly metaphor in disguise (for the 90's) <uboy> it's simile <even> and belly-laughs <uboy> right... <uboy> exactly <even> whatever they are as i dont find eith R or L hysterical <uboy> just another space in which to work <even> what do you think that means <even> so clued it it hurts? <even> so clued in, it hurts? <uboy> no <even> ? <uboy> tihnking, just a moment <even> space is not an end or way alone as an answer, it is an easy excuse to be permentlay vague <uboy> there must be a way of avoiding being vague <uboy> space is just a new set of terms for old ideas <even> I guess thatÕs what double indemnity is for. <uboy> or a double bind <uboy> so can we avoid being vague? <uboy> can we say what we mean? <even> a conceited duplicity or the actual acknowlegement of it as being there (when it always has been) <even> ah meaning... <even> meaing implies a singularity of thought <even> meaning <uboy> yes, a fixed or final meaning <even> no <uboy> we can have multiples <uboy> though <even> yes... they are with us.., they used to be called levels <even> or does that imply hierarchy? <uboy> yes, then they became angles <even> lol <even> laughs out loud <uboy> yes <uboy> me too <even> what is the obvious solution to the symbolic problem <uboy> so, all the dialogue stuff is about reserving judgement <even> or avoiding it as Thomas McEvilly says, "jugement is wrong" <even> so naive <uboy> to a degree <even> ? <uboy> whats happens if we employ something like that? <even> Nothing is arbitrary, thatÕs the scam, thatÕs what makes it great <uboy> how could we even <uboy> we must make editing decissions <even> yes for concision only <uboy> that's why it can only work to a degree.. i.e a scam i guess <uboy> so are we giving up? <even> no sideways is no defeatist <uboy> abandoning the ship in dry dock? <even> discussing gravity again? <uboy> but we admit our reservations about the process? <even> revealing it is a beautiful thing? <even> or lazy? <uboy> there we are again... saying what we mean <uboy> or intend <even> really? <uboy> we have to commit to a position of resignation... if that's one we chose <uboy> not lazy thgough <uboy> though <uboy> can we pull this off? <even> sure <even> i have joined lots of channels to see if anyone joins us! <even> back to barney... <uboy> yes <even> the mythic is such an artistic cliché especially regarding allegory which is medieval <uboy> let's hope <uboy> ok <even> displacing the phallus for the testicles is third sexual apparently as they can also be ovaries... which oragn to we preferance? <uboy> the third sex <even> very good <uboy> we hopefully are avoiding all his myth and pomp <uboy> we are aboveboard <uboy> and to the side <even> pomp is could be, if we had the budget, or is it resourcefulness tht makes others jealous? so easy to write it off? <uboy> we are not creating our own deep vocabulary <even> but i thought we wanted too <uboy> vague, perhaps but not deep <even> he is very similar to L only more spectacle orientated, manybe it is that distruct of the SPECTACLE that sets him apart, narrative is twisted in a similar way but... <even> distrust <uboy> the fluidity with which they handle their self made worlds is similar <uboy> along with their belief in their rhetoric <uboy> that's why i ask how committed we are <even> i am <uboy> or how much we believe in the process <uboy> as am i <even> in so much as it fulfills this experiment... leads somewhere <uboy> yes.. good... what is our destinatio n? <even> You mean a kind of terminal narcissism, I donÕt think itÕs very spiritual. <even> ! <uboy> ! <even> do you have any prefabs? <uboy> prefabs? <even> words <uboy> to paste in? no <even> yes <uboy> lets' keep going with the destination <uboy> potentially important <even> our destination is at one level the exhibition but it is only part of a wider discussion <uboy> yes, it seems that there should be a larger destination *** orfeas (me@stp_g04-44_pc.sunderland.ac.uk) has joined #sentimental <even> so we aim to make things but these things are not complete or free-standing without another something... a lot like metaphor <even> hi orfeas <orfeas> ok??? <orfeas> hello!!! <even> what do you think about metaphor orfeas? <uboy> true, there's a network connecting it all <uboy> hello orf <orfeas> how are u?? <even> trying to figure out the difference <uboy> just fine <orfeas> hello Orfeas isn't it a nice name?? <even> yes are you entangled in a greek tragedy? <orfeas> What do u think alan?? <orfeas> hello??? <even> well you tell me <orfeas> which differance?? <orfeas> Something like that I'm greek... <even> uboy will explain <orfeas> I tell you I'm greek and I study in Sunderland!! <uboy> we were talking about metaphor and other ways of constructing meaning *** correy (~thatme@194.125.60.100) has joined #sentimental <orfeas> Everything ok?? *** correy (~thatme@194.125.60.100) has left #sentimental <even> hi correy <orfeas> you don't talk too much why??? <even> what could be better? <orfeas> Very philosophical isn't it?? <uboy> not terribly <even> no we are talking about art... <uboy> tell us something sentimental <even> art is not philo... just sweet <orfeas> Sorry alan but correy... <even> what about him? <even> what is the obvious solution to the symbolic problem? <orfeas> so what?? <even> huh? <even> uboy? <uboy> hello <uboy> just enjoying the moment <even> an anxiety reaction with hysterical features <orfeas> Thanks *** acidboy (~tmoran@craic.iol.ie) has joined #sentimental <acidboy> hey <even> hello <uboy> hello <acidboy> whassup all <uboy> where were we? <even> we are not sentimental just talking about art hopefully <acidboy> oh right <orfeas> who?? <orfeas> can u be more specific?? <acidboy> artspific <even> there is a kind of sentimentality that can be black, cruel and funny without being syrupy... any thoughts? <acidboy> ugh <orfeas> hello??? *** acidboy (~tmoran@craic.iol.ie) has left #sentimental <uboy> well.. <even> that frightened him away unfortunetly <even> orp? do you know what we are on about? <orfeas> what?? <even> uboy help <uboy> yes <orfeas> help apoor greek!!! <uboy> any thoughts on art orf? <even> in your greek learning what do they say about metaphor? <orfeas> no not this time!!! <uboy> much i reckon <orfeas> what do y want to learn specificall y? <even> to understand if it is a valid way of having meaning arrive <uboy> how else do we construct meaning? <uboy> do we want to? <even> the simpsons are chirping in my background, do they mean though metaphor or is it all a belly laugh? <orfeas> sorry but I can't follow you lads *** turtle_ (~turtle@ts13-02.dublin .indigo.ie) has joined #sentimental <turtle> sentimental... <even> please try please we want you to <turtle> may i ask wot ... <even> hi turtel <uboy> hello <turtle> hey ub <even> we are talking about art... sideways <turtle> :) <even> ?) <orfeas> Greek art please <uboy> art and metaphor <uboy> is that the route we should take to amke meaning <uboy> ? <even> ok, was Orphesis a metaphor for anything or a silly story about love <uboy> should we care about meaning? <even> too deep uboy <uboy> yes, move aside <uboy> ways <even> what is ill-defined polymorp hous passion ? <uboy> perhaps love then is a good topic <even> can you have sentimental sex? <uboy> i've tried <orfeas> sure!!! <even> in what way? <orfeas> In all the ways <even> you mean always? <orfeas> ok some times <even> what do you think of when having it? <orfeas> nice experience don't forget I live in greece i'm a hot person <uboy> yes, what makes it different <uboy> ? <orfeas> xa xa xa <even> you mean you love youself more? <orfeas> It's quite obvous I think <even> well? <orfeas> no no no <orfeas> I'm just joking <orfeas> I love my partner most!!! <even> do you think masturbating is sentimental? <uboy> you give yourself totally to your partner? <uboy> you keep nothing? <orfeas> if he can drive me crazy yes why not??# <even> turtle? <orfeas> many things I keep in order to surprize him!!! <orfeas> It reminds me talk show the whole chat!!!! <orfeas> friendly!!! <even> dont understand *** Now talking in #sentimental <even> they ahve gone <even> i got cut off... had problems <uboy> yes, everyone was cut off <uboy> except for me <even> our crap server <uboy> well, did we learn any lessons? <uboy> from our little experiment? <even> that it takes a long tim e to make a point <even> i saved tho <uboy> yes *** correy (~thatme@194.125.60.100) has joined #sentimental <even> we need questions for others <uboy> i did as well <even> ho correy <uboy> hello <even> what were we talking about? <uboy> yes, we need plan ahead for when things slow down <even> sentimental masturbating? <correy> hi <uboy> yes, that was it <even> i was cutting and pasting fun stuff i thought <uboy> so did i <uboy> they didn't though <even> i know *** skier (uk@dialup84-pm-terminus.d-n-a.net) has joined #sentimental <even> vagueness has limits? <even> hi skier <uboy> any thoughts on sentimental masturbating, correy? <skier> i followed u here in good faith! <even> sorry <uboy> hello <even> lol <even> but its a serious question actually <correy> would that include mstrbtin an ex for old times sake <uboy> do we know skier? <even> not really but possibly... really on your own i guess with certain toys or special things or contraptions? <skier> i know correy does:) <even> these are folks from gay-ireland uboy... i invited them <uboy> welcome all <even> share correy <correy> i like doing it holding my fav teddy <even> like i have this special corn cob I keep for private special reasons <correy> what about u uboy u have a special toy <uboy> no, just a pillow i know very well... <even> where do you put that? <correy> do you hav a fav fantasy <uboy> it's rather large.. <correy> the pillow <skier> locker room:) <uboy> it will take many shapes, etc. <even> fantasy is another element we haven't discussed enough, or is it the really real interfering again? <correy> ah the locker room fantasy <skier> predictable:) <uboy> you mean, where do the real and fantasy meet? <uboy> it can often be disappointing <even> but that is someones elses, it comes from commercial porn, do you have only other peoples fantasies? <correy> is not all fanasy based in reality <even> fantasy is based on underachievement <skier> huh? <correy> but is escaping from reality not essential <even> you cant have it, never will, you are a loser (no offence) <uboy> are we hopelessly entangled in the real? <uboy> how dod we escape? <uboy> do <skier> well u come 2 my lockeroom. if u don't have a long lasting lusty fantasy afterward... <skier> then ur just plain boring <even> the real is only a fantasy as the old 4ders <even> where is your lockerroom? <skier> at school <uboy> any equipment there? <skier> plenty - if u know how 2 use it:) <uboy> i may... give details <even> is that ill-defined polymorphous passion ? <skier> use ur imagination :D <even> he just wants stories <skier> it's a public school - lots of rugby guys <correy> bye guys <even> thanks <uboy> later correy <skier> see ya <even> what about girls? *** correy (~thatme@194.125.60.100) has left #sentimental *** Amstel (Hi@asd29-isdn.worldaccess.nl) has joined #sentimental *** FarmerP (Corkboy@p29.cork1.tinet.ie) has joined #sentimental <even> yikes <even> a coffee morning <uboy> hello amstel and farmer <Amstel> hi even <FarmerP> i thought this was where it is all supposed to be happening <FarmerP> Hi uboy <Amstel> whats up0 guys? <even> it is we were just saying <even> correy was sharing a fantasy and left <FarmerP> Ahh - I just missed it then :-(( <uboy> yes, where fantasy meets reality <FarmerP> :-)) <FarmerP> LOL <even> can it happen? <FarmerP> So that's what drags you all here.!!!! <uboy> with out disappointing? <even> or should we just keep to ourselves <Amstel> so where is everybody (ie those not in fantasyland)? <even> we were wondering earlier if you can have sentimental sex with yourself? <FarmerP> Why keep to yourselves - it would be just as boring as all the other chats are at present <even> but you are by yourself <skier> well i agree that pressing against naked guys in the shower makes me hornier 'cos they're straight therefore unavailable * FarmerP is in Cork Amstel <uboy> so unavailable is more exciting? <skier> suppose so <even> how does that work sideways uboy? <uboy> always want what you can't have <even> that kept me going through puperty <FarmerP> Still very quite - so i'll quit for now and be back later <FarmerP> see you guys <FarmerP> bye <skier> k <even> thanks *** FarmerP (Corkboy@p29.cork1.tinet.ie) has left #sentimental <Amstel> im off too cu guys later *** Amstel (Hi@asd29-isdn.worldaccess.nl) has left #sentimental <skier> so alan u want 2 know what happens? <even> i want to make art about it you see <skier> this has happened 2 me <uboy> art? <even> and understand how to get away from sentimental toward something with an edge <even> what are you sending me skier? <skier> an explanation <even> ok <skier> there r usually about 80 guys in a small shower room <uboy> 80?? <skier> u have to fpush through the rest 2 get to the water <skier> i just love it:) <skier> yea there r 2000 ppl in my scholl <skier> largest in ireland <even> where is this i wnat to know! :) <skier> in belfast - i'd better not tell u the place <even> so the pictures illustrate what exactly? apart from f-ing and s-ing? <skier> public school life - and why fantasy is important <skier> i had the fantasy and real thing <even> lucky you <skier> the real thing far excelled the fantasy <uboy> how so? <even> it should really... but sometimes it is disappointing... when Mr fantasy is not as you expected... but you dont have that problem <skier> i always wanted 2 fuck a guy in the lockeroom and i did - wih 3 guys watching:) <even> i do not believe you <even> didn't they want to beat you up? <skier> u don't have 2 <even> i mean locker room fantasy is one thing but unless it was a gay sauna i cant imagine it happening <skier> it was a select few of the rugby team <even> rugger buggers eh? <skier> about 10 guys that i know are active gays - i just took advantage of the fact <even> that helps... is it a big team? <skier> all the guys have 2 play rugby <skier> loads of teams <even> i see <skier> i've jo'd a soldier <even> so now you are out of fantasys? <even> i dunno if i will ever realise mine, that's why i dont try <skier> still have the one about fucking a guy in a biology class room <even> with the class in attendance or the disescted frogs? <skier> gas tap up his ass <even> ouch <uboy> lol <skier> one particular guy, neil, excellent ass *** cyberguyy (susst@orion.irelands-web.ie) has joined #sentimental <even> hi cb <uboy> hello cy <even> what else happens? * cyberguyy is following Alan from one bar to another <even> whats yours uboy... since it would involve girls? <cyberguyy> Hi Alan...wassup? <even> we are talking fantasy <even> solotary <skier> i'd like 2 fuck a guy and girl at same time <even> who where? <cyberguyy> That would be nice. <skier> a guy called chris, a girl called louisa <even> ever wondered about electrocution of the nipples? good tingle can be had from loud speaker i hear... according to uboy <skier> like 2 fuck someone on a snowy mountain 2 <even> or in a speeding car <uboy> a mountain... any one else here like the outdoors? <even> or bin liners? <cyberguyy> Do explain a bit more Alan, I'm facinated <uboy> i've done it a few times... but its a hassle <even> you know the no air thing, can be a little dangerous, makes you harder apparently, right uboy? <uboy> i've heard something about it <skier> i wanna fuck u all <even> oh thanks <even> come on down then! <even> youre in belfast right? <even> well? <skier> yup <skier> but u wouldn't want a liitle 17 yo fucking u <skier> or is that a fantasty :D <even> thats almost illegal :) <uboy> goodbye all <even> bye uboy <even> what age do you think i am anyway <skier> see ya <skier> the law is crap <even> yes when it comes to pure lust <skier> 20 something? *** uboy (lamarcs@166-197-183.ipt.aol.com) has left #sentimental dcc <even> isn't this confirming the obvious <uboy> which is? <uboy> people like to talk dirty? <even> i know so to what end... for us? <uboy> good question <uboy> try to root through it all? <uboy> hope a spark will happen? <even> lets continue talking to eachother as if they were not there <uboy> ok <even> he is sending pics????? <uboy> hhhhmmm <even> porno pics young lads fucking? yikes <uboy> yikes indeed <even> maybe we should take a break... how much tim e do you have <even> well? <even> is this getting too kinky? <uboy> no, we may be able to use it... <uboy> get a feel for how this whole thing will play out <even> but it is all obvious fantasy thing.... play point taken <even> i dunno if i will ever realise mine, that's why i dont try <even> opps <even> this is silly <uboy> yes <even> should we stop for a half hour, for tea, then talk for real bet us two? <uboy> can we make it tomorrow? <even> need to go out? i am kind of tired anyway... back tomorrow with proper questions...
tomorow I can only do it after 6pm- cheap rate etc ... ? <uboy> that's good, actually... shall we say a little after six your time? <even> 7 then <uboy> i want to sit back and evaluate what just happened <uboy> seven is good <even> like is there a point? <even> is this dialogue or dirty talk straight up <uboy> i'll dig around for one <uboy> dirty talk <uboy> but we can use it in dialogue <uboy> reserve your judgement <even> yes <even> we'll exchange then <uboy> ok, seven your time <uboy> seee you then - DCC session closed