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<even> i am here
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<uboy> hello
<uboy> its lamar
<uboy> somewas using my nickname
<uboy> someone
<even> i know
<even> hi hi hi
<uboy> hello
<uboy> did you chat with other lamar?
<even> no but you should finger him...
<even> or her
<even> !
<uboy> i might try later
<even> good morning
<even> it is screens of fuck you! very rude
<uboy> thanks, how are you?
<even> drunk
<uboy> lovely
<even> went to lunch with parents and had 2 bottles of wine...
burp
<even> and it is only 5:20
<uboy> wow!!!
<uboy> an early start...
<even> but i shall endevour to be creative
<uboy> as shall i
<even> my connection is slow... might get disconnected... how
are you, sleepy?
<uboy> no, not too bad .... been up for sevaeral hours
<even> i edited our 2 other talks and they are actually
postable... quite personal yet interesting and things are
said... slightly on the confessional side, hmm
<uboy> i don't remeber being too confessional
<uboy> can you send?
<even> it is just the honesty of it all, opening up the process
thing
<uboy> yes, that's good
<uboy> that's where things will happen
<uboy> our own things
<even> indeed
<uboy> i'd like too see your edit
<uboy> can you send
<uboy> ?
<even> i will send later it is long and in word so needs to be
converted
<even> were you able to prepare?
<uboy> ok, look forward to that later
<uboy> yes, i have some thoughts
<even> i think the chats will work well as it is so personal
really even with the shit cut out
<even> never thought i'd say that
<uboy> yes, i think it's better to just go with the flow, then
edit later
<even> yes
<uboy> more chance that something great will happen
<even> so did you prepare?
<uboy> yes, where to start?
<uboy> well..
<even> .
<even> .
<even> So what do you find interesting about these stories?
<uboy> yes, content is an area i was thinking about
<uboy> aswell
<uboy> it is a crucial point
<even> i have been reading a lot about M Barney and feel
complicite
<uboy> no necessaarily
<even> not surely
<uboy> he constrcuts his operettas
<uboy> his own metaphor world
<even> but he is all about the thrid sex which is auto-sexual
meaning autoerotic
<even> metaphor is another device which is as easy as irony, too
easy, certainly avoidable
<even>
<even> metaphor is another device which is as easy as irony, too
easy, certainly avoidable
<even>
<even> metaphor is another device which is as easy
as irony, too easy, certainly avoidable
<even> opps
<uboy> so nice, you said it thrice
<uboy> ]but, i agree
<even> metaphor is the only way anything can have
meaning
<uboy> so, parallel is the alternative, right
<even> no parallel is possibly metaphor in disguise
(for the 90's)
<uboy> it's simile
<even> and belly-laughs
<uboy> right...
<uboy> exactly
<even> whatever they are as i dont find eith R or L
hysterical
<uboy> just another space in which to work
<even> what do you think that means
<even> so clued it it hurts?
<even> so clued in, it hurts?
<uboy> no
<even> ?
<uboy> tihnking, just a moment
<even> space is not an end or way alone as an
answer, it is an easy excuse to be permentlay
vague
<uboy> there must be a way of avoiding being vague
<uboy> space is just a new set of terms for old
ideas
<even> I guess thatÕs what double indemnity is
for.
<uboy> or a double bind
<uboy> so can we avoid being vague?
<uboy> can we say what we mean?
<even> a conceited duplicity or the actual
acknowlegement of it as being there (when it
always has been)
<even> ah meaning...
<even> meaing implies a singularity of thought
<even> meaning
<uboy> yes, a fixed or final meaning
<even> no
<uboy> we can have multiples
<uboy> though
<even> yes... they are with us.., they used to
be called levels
<even> or does that imply hierarchy?
<uboy> yes, then they became angles
<even> lol
<even> laughs out loud
<uboy> yes
<uboy> me too
<even> what is the obvious solution to the
symbolic problem
<uboy> so, all the dialogue stuff is about
reserving judgement
<even> or avoiding it as Thomas McEvilly says,
"jugement is wrong"
<even> so naive
<uboy> to a degree
<even> ?
<uboy> whats happens if we employ something
like that?
<even> Nothing is arbitrary, thatÕs the scam,
thatÕs what makes it great
<uboy> how could we even
<uboy> we must make editing decissions
<even> yes for concision only
<uboy> that's why it can only work to a degree.. i.e a
scam i guess
<uboy> so are we giving up?
<even> no sideways is no defeatist
<uboy> abandoning the ship in dry dock?
<even> discussing gravity again?
<uboy> but we admit our reservations about the process?
<even> revealing it is a beautiful thing?
<even> or lazy?
<uboy> there we are again... saying what we mean
<uboy> or intend
<even> really?
<uboy> we have to commit to a position of resignation...
if that's one we chose
<uboy> not lazy thgough
<uboy> though
<uboy> can we pull this off?
<even> sure
<even> i have joined lots of channels to see if anyone
joins us!
<even> back to barney...
<uboy> yes
<even> the mythic is such an artistic cliché
especially regarding allegory which is medieval
<uboy> let's hope
<uboy> ok
<even> displacing the phallus for the testicles is
third sexual apparently as they can also be
ovaries... which oragn to we preferance?
<uboy> the third sex
<even> very good
<uboy> we hopefully are avoiding all his myth and pomp
<uboy> we are aboveboard
<uboy> and to the side
<even> pomp is could be, if we had the budget, or is it
resourcefulness tht makes others jealous? so easy to
write it off?
<uboy> we are not creating our own deep vocabulary
<even> but i thought we wanted too
<uboy> vague, perhaps but not deep
<even> he is very similar to L only more
spectacle orientated, manybe it is that
distruct of the SPECTACLE that sets him
apart, narrative is twisted in a similar
way but...
<even> distrust
<uboy> the fluidity with which they handle
their self made worlds is similar
<uboy> along with their belief in their
rhetoric
<uboy> that's why i ask how committed we
are
<even> i am
<uboy> or how much we believe in the
process
<uboy> as am i
<even> in so much as it fulfills this
experiment... leads somewhere
<uboy> yes.. good... what is our destinatio
n?
<even> You mean a kind of terminal
narcissism, I donÕt think itÕs very
spiritual.
<even> !
<uboy> !
<even> do you have any prefabs?
<uboy> prefabs?
<even> words
<uboy> to paste in? no
<even> yes
<uboy> lets' keep going with the destination
<uboy> potentially important
<even> our destination is at one level the exhibition
but it is only part of a wider discussion
<uboy> yes, it seems that there should be a larger
destination
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<even> so we aim to make things but these things are
not complete or free-standing without another
something... a lot like metaphor
<even> hi orfeas
<orfeas> ok???
<orfeas> hello!!!
<even> what do you think about metaphor orfeas?
<uboy> true, there's a network connecting it all
<uboy> hello orf
<orfeas> how are u??
<even> trying to figure out the difference
<uboy> just fine
<orfeas> hello Orfeas isn't it a nice name??
<even> yes are you entangled in a greek tragedy?
<orfeas> What do u think alan??
<orfeas> hello???
<even> well you tell me
<orfeas> which differance??
<orfeas> Something like that I'm greek...
<even> uboy will explain
<orfeas> I tell you I'm greek and I study in
Sunderland!!
<uboy> we were talking about metaphor and other ways of
constructing meaning
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<orfeas> Everything ok??
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<even> hi correy
<orfeas> you don't talk too much why???
<even> what could be better?
<orfeas> Very philosophical isn't it??
<uboy> not terribly
<even> no we are talking about art...
<uboy> tell us something sentimental
<even> art is not philo... just sweet
<orfeas> Sorry alan but correy...
<even> what about him?
<even> what is the obvious solution to the
symbolic problem?
<orfeas> so what??
<even> huh?
<even> uboy?
<uboy> hello
<uboy> just enjoying the moment
<even> an anxiety reaction with hysterical
features
<orfeas> Thanks
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<acidboy> hey
<even> hello
<uboy> hello
<acidboy> whassup all
<uboy> where were we?
<even> we are not sentimental just talking
about art hopefully
<acidboy> oh right
<orfeas> who??
<orfeas> can u be more specific??
<acidboy> artspific
<even> there is a kind of sentimentality
that can be black, cruel and funny
without being syrupy... any thoughts?
<acidboy> ugh
<orfeas> hello???
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<uboy> well..
<even> that frightened him away unfortunetly
<even> orp? do you know what we are on about?
<orfeas> what??
<even> uboy help
<uboy> yes
<orfeas> help apoor greek!!!
<uboy> any thoughts on art orf?
<even> in your greek learning what do they
say about metaphor?
<orfeas> no not this time!!!
<uboy> much i reckon
<orfeas> what do y want to learn specificall
y?
<even> to understand if it is a valid way
of having meaning arrive
<uboy> how else do we construct meaning?
<uboy> do we want to?
<even> the simpsons are chirping
in my background, do they mean
though metaphor or is it all a
belly laugh?
<orfeas> sorry but I can't follow
you lads
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<turtle> sentimental...
<even> please try please we want
you to
<turtle> may i ask wot ...
<even> hi turtel
<uboy> hello
<turtle> hey ub
<even> we are talking about art...
sideways
<turtle> :)
<even> ?)
<orfeas> Greek art please
<uboy> art and metaphor
<uboy> is that the route we should
take to amke meaning
<uboy> ?
<even> ok, was Orphesis a metaphor
for anything or a silly story
about love
<uboy> should we care about
meaning?
<even> too deep uboy
<uboy> yes, move aside
<uboy> ways
<even> what is ill-defined polymorp
hous passion ?
<uboy> perhaps love then is a good
topic
<even> can you have sentimental
sex?
<uboy> i've tried
<orfeas> sure!!!
<even> in what way?
<orfeas> In all the ways
<even> you mean always?
<orfeas> ok some times
<even> what do you think of when
having it?
<orfeas> nice experience don't
forget I live in greece i'm a
hot person
<uboy> yes, what makes it different
<uboy> ?
<orfeas> xa xa xa
<even> you mean you love youself
more?
<orfeas> It's quite obvous I think
<even> well?
<orfeas> no no no
<orfeas> I'm just joking
<orfeas> I love my partner most!!!
<even> do you think masturbating
is sentimental?
<uboy> you give yourself totally
to your partner?
<uboy> you keep nothing?
<orfeas> if he can drive me crazy
yes why not??#
<even> turtle?
<orfeas> many things I keep in
order to surprize him!!!
<orfeas> It reminds me talk show
the whole chat!!!!
<orfeas> friendly!!!
<even> dont understand
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<even> they ahve gone
<even> i got cut off... had problems
<uboy> yes, everyone was cut off
<uboy> except for me
<even> our crap server
<uboy> well, did we learn any lessons?
<uboy> from our little experiment?
<even> that it takes a long tim e to make a point
<even> i saved tho
<uboy> yes
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<even> we need questions for others
<uboy> i did as well
<even> ho correy
<uboy> hello
<even> what were we talking about?
<uboy> yes, we need plan ahead for when things slow down
<even> sentimental masturbating?
<correy> hi
<uboy> yes, that was it
<even> i was cutting and pasting fun stuff i thought
<uboy> so did i
<uboy> they didn't though
<even> i know
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<even> vagueness has limits?
<even> hi skier
<uboy> any thoughts on sentimental masturbating, correy?
<skier> i followed u here in good faith!
<even> sorry
<uboy> hello
<even> lol
<even> but its a serious question actually
<correy> would that include mstrbtin an ex for old times sake
<uboy> do we know skier?
<even> not really but possibly... really on your own i guess
with certain toys or special things or contraptions?
<skier> i know correy does:)
<even> these are folks from gay-ireland uboy... i invited them
<uboy> welcome all
<even> share correy
<correy> i like doing it holding my fav teddy
<even> like i have this special corn cob I keep for private
special reasons
<correy> what about u uboy u have a special toy
<uboy> no, just a pillow i know very well...
<even> where do you put that?
<correy> do you hav a fav fantasy
<uboy> it's rather large..
<correy> the pillow
<skier> locker room:)
<uboy> it will take many shapes, etc.
<even> fantasy is another element we haven't discussed enough,
or is it the really real interfering again?
<correy> ah the locker room fantasy
<skier> predictable:)
<uboy> you mean, where do the real and fantasy meet?
<uboy> it can often be disappointing
<even> but that is someones elses, it comes from commercial
porn, do you have only other peoples fantasies?
<correy> is not all fanasy based in reality
<even> fantasy is based on underachievement
<skier> huh?
<correy> but is escaping from reality not essential
<even> you cant have it, never will, you are a loser (no offence)
<uboy> are we hopelessly entangled in the real?
<uboy> how dod we escape?
<uboy> do
<skier> well u come 2 my lockeroom. if u don't have a long lasting
lusty fantasy afterward...
<skier> then ur just plain boring
<even> the real is only a fantasy as the old 4ders
<even> where is your lockerroom?
<skier> at school
<uboy> any equipment there?
<skier> plenty - if u know how 2 use it:)
<uboy> i may... give details
<even> is that ill-defined polymorphous passion ?
<skier> use ur imagination :D
<even> he just wants stories
<skier> it's a public school - lots of rugby guys
<correy> bye guys
<even> thanks
<uboy> later correy
<skier> see ya
<even> what about girls?
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<even> yikes
<even> a coffee morning
<uboy> hello amstel and farmer
<Amstel> hi even
<FarmerP> i thought this was where it is all supposed to be
happening
<FarmerP> Hi uboy
<Amstel> whats up0 guys?
<even> it is we were just saying
<even> correy was sharing a fantasy and left
<FarmerP> Ahh - I just missed it then :-((
<uboy> yes, where fantasy meets reality
<FarmerP> :-))
<FarmerP> LOL
<even> can it happen?
<FarmerP> So that's what drags you all here.!!!!
<uboy> with out disappointing?
<even> or should we just keep to ourselves
<Amstel> so where is everybody (ie those not in fantasyland)?
<even> we were wondering earlier if you can have sentimental sex
with yourself?
<FarmerP> Why keep to yourselves - it would be just as boring as
all the other chats are at present
<even> but you are by yourself
<skier> well i agree that pressing against naked guys in the
shower makes me hornier 'cos they're straight therefore
unavailable
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<uboy> so unavailable is more exciting?
<skier> suppose so
<even> how does that work sideways uboy?
<uboy> always want what you can't have
<even> that kept me going through puperty
<FarmerP> Still very quite - so i'll quit for now and be back
later
<FarmerP> see you guys
<FarmerP> bye
<skier> k
<even> thanks
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<Amstel> im off too cu guys later
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<skier> so alan u want 2 know what happens?
<even> i want to make art about it you see
<skier> this has happened 2 me
<uboy> art?
<even> and understand how to get away from sentimental toward
something with an edge
<even> what are you sending me skier?
<skier> an explanation
<even> ok
<skier> there r usually about 80 guys in a small shower room
<uboy> 80??
<skier> u have to fpush through the rest 2 get to the water
<skier> i just love it:)
<skier> yea there r 2000 ppl in my scholl
<skier> largest in ireland
<even> where is this i wnat to know! :)
<skier> in belfast - i'd better not tell u the place
<even> so the pictures illustrate what exactly? apart from f-ing
and s-ing?
<skier> public school life - and why fantasy is important
<skier> i had the fantasy and real thing
<even> lucky you
<skier> the real thing far excelled the fantasy
<uboy> how so?
<even> it should really... but sometimes it is disappointing...
when Mr fantasy is not as you expected... but you dont have
that problem
<skier> i always wanted 2 fuck a guy in the lockeroom and i did
- wih 3 guys watching:)
<even> i do not believe you
<even> didn't they want to beat you up?
<skier> u don't have 2
<even> i mean locker room fantasy is one thing but unless it was
a gay sauna i cant imagine it happening
<skier> it was a select few of the rugby team
<even> rugger buggers eh?
<skier> about 10 guys that i know are active gays - i just took
advantage of the fact
<even> that helps... is it a big team?
<skier> all the guys have 2 play rugby
<skier> loads of teams
<even> i see
<skier> i've jo'd a soldier
<even> so now you are out of fantasys?
<even> i dunno if i will ever realise mine, that's why i dont try
<skier> still have the one about fucking a guy in a biology
class room
<even> with the class in attendance or the disescted frogs?
<skier> gas tap up his ass
<even> ouch
<uboy> lol
<skier> one particular guy, neil, excellent ass
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<even> hi cb
<uboy> hello cy
<even> what else happens?
* cyberguyy is following Alan from one bar to another
<even> whats yours uboy... since it would involve girls?
<cyberguyy> Hi Alan...wassup?
<even> we are talking fantasy
<even> solotary
<skier> i'd like 2 fuck a guy and girl at same time
<even> who where?
<cyberguyy> That would be nice.
<skier> a guy called chris, a girl called louisa
<even> ever wondered about electrocution of the nipples? good
tingle can be had from loud speaker i hear... according to uboy
<skier> like 2 fuck someone on a snowy mountain 2
<even> or in a speeding car
<uboy> a mountain... any one else here like the outdoors?
<even> or bin liners?
<cyberguyy> Do explain a bit more Alan, I'm facinated
<uboy> i've done it a few times... but its a hassle
<even> you know the no air thing, can be a little dangerous,
makes you harder apparently, right uboy?
<uboy> i've heard something about it
<skier> i wanna fuck u all
<even> oh thanks
<even> come on down then!
<even> youre in belfast right?
<even> well?
<skier> yup
<skier> but u wouldn't want a liitle 17 yo fucking u
<skier> or is that a fantasty :D
<even> thats almost illegal :)
<uboy> goodbye all
<even> bye uboy
<even> what age do you think i am anyway
<skier> see ya
<skier> the law is crap
<even> yes when it comes to pure lust
<skier> 20 something?
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<even> isn't this confirming the obvious
<uboy> which is?
<uboy> people like to talk dirty?
<even> i know so to what end... for us?
<uboy> good question
<uboy> try to root through it all?
<uboy> hope a spark will happen?
<even> lets continue talking to eachother as if they were not there
<uboy> ok
<even> he is sending pics?????
<uboy> hhhhmmm
<even> porno pics young lads fucking? yikes
<uboy> yikes indeed
<even> maybe we should take a break... how much tim e do you have
<even> well?
<even> is this getting too kinky?
<uboy> no, we may be able to use it...
<uboy> get a feel for how this whole thing will play out
<even> but it is all obvious fantasy thing.... play point taken
<even> i dunno if i will ever realise mine, that's why i dont try
<even> opps
<even> this is silly
<uboy> yes
<even> should we stop for a half hour, for tea, then talk for real bet us two?
<uboy> can we make it tomorrow?
<even> need to go out? i am kind of tired anyway... back tomorrow with proper questions...
tomorow I can only do it after 6pm- cheap rate etc ... ?
<uboy> that's good, actually... shall we say a little after six your time?
<even> 7 then
<uboy> i want to sit back and evaluate what just happened
<uboy> seven is good
<even> like is there a point?
<even> is this dialogue or dirty talk straight up
<uboy> i'll dig around for one
<uboy> dirty talk
<uboy> but we can use it in dialogue
<uboy> reserve your judgement
<even> yes
<even> we'll exchange then
<uboy> ok, seven your time
<uboy> seee you then
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