Session Start: Sun Nov 30 16:03:45 1997 *** Now talking in #sentimental <even> hello #sentimental created on Sun Nov 30 16:00:28 -> [uboy] PING <uboy> hi <uboy> how are you? <even> sick... from a crap lunch with the folks and in pain of leg as usual <even> but fine otherwise <even> and u? <uboy> doing well, i guess... getting over a cold <even> anyway... to work eh? <uboy> ok <even> very little lag for a change <uboy> yes, it's good today <even> so did u check yesterdays updates to the buffer pages? <uboy> so, i like the thumbnails <uboy> i checked this morning, yes <uboy> the srm link is a good idea <uboy> something i was thinking about <even> i added the logo so u can get back to the index page... thought it was a little frustrating to be locked into the buffer and page one only <uboy> so as not to get too lost <even> indeed <uboy> exactly <even> just need to get some decent text for the buffer pages <even> i havnt tried yet <uboy> yes, i've made some dialogue edits.. <even> cool <uboy> don't know if they're useful <even> dcc? <uboy> and also a few more furniture scenariois <even> oh i see <uboy> hold on for dcc <even> k <uboy> as long as i'm at it.. here's another dcc a wav file <even> thats a lot of imagining! <uboy> yes, lol <uboy> just trying it out <uboy> don't know of it's useful <uboy> yikes.. shoulda zipped it, i guess <even> where do i put all the imagin a space stuff? should we choose some or use all? <uboy> well, i thought perhaps one per buffer page, one good one <uboy> but, they may not fit at all <even> the irc can go in the irc section as they are not cool enough 'really' to go on the buffer? *** SyLord (SyLord@grym.choice.net) has joined #sentimental <SyLord> greets <uboy> hello <even> so u reckon the buffer would not be a selection of what is to come? <even> hello sy? <SyLord> Hello even <even> maybe u should compress the wav and resend uboy? <even> where are u sy? and how did u find us? <uboy> yes hold on while i do that * SyLord loves .mp3's * _even_ doesnt know what they are! <SyLord> Im at home, in Cincinnati, Ohio <even> i am in dublin ireland, uboy is in new york <SyLord> new compression for music/sounds - Full cd music in 3-6 megs for a good song, high qualty <even> oic <even> so are u feeling sentimental? <SyLord> Greetings to you then my new friend. <even> yah <SyLord> Its a rare emotion for most, but yes, memories always hold alot for me. <even> we are into discovering what sentimenatal sex is <even> for a project we are discussing <SyLord> Sounds different <even> well its ann art thing and stories <SyLord> Sex for emotional values. Very different, but exciting <even> http://www.arthouse.ie/selfrescuemechanism <even> the site is under construction but almost ready for the gen public <uboy> i'm back... zipping software is screwed, so i'll have to get that to you later <even> ok... how big is it? <uboy> 800kb or do <uboy> or so <even> oic <uboy> hello sylord <SyLord> Hello uboy <SyLord> I keep thinking of uboy from revenge of the nerds <even> hehehehe <uboy> no, not me...lol <even> both of u do not know who Mark uboy is eh? <SyLord> Wouldnt matter, and long as you didnt hit on me *grin* <SyLord> no, who is mark uboy? <even> a brit music critic/celeb... big retro kid with greasy quiff! <uboy> no ? who's that even? <even> and a cocknet accent <even> cockney <uboy> so, any insight in terms of the sentimental? <SyLord> "The Few, and the proud" <uboy> the marine? <uboy> marines? <SyLord> Ok, bad idea then, give me a few <SyLord> Sentimental are the few, but they make better lovers? <even> well it is maybe better to do it alone? <even> more safe and self contained? <uboy> more pure? <SyLord> But sentimental need not be alone, more good memories to me are with others, not just being alone. being alone is like being a hermit <even> but u only share a real sentimental moment with yourself <SyLord> Not always true <even> it is rather solitary <uboy> in some cases, i suppose... <SyLord> Is it really sentiment, but not just a memory then? <uboy> an emotional response <even> just sweet memories in response to a something <SyLord> I guess I've spent too much of my live as an individual, and like to share with others my thgoughts emotions and dreams <uboy> do they understand you when you attempt sharing? <even> but my point was that for true sentimentality it tends to be an interior and therefore indidvidual experience <uboy> do you connect? <even> and if that could be sexual too well then how wonderful? but how? <even> maybe you need to do something drastic to find out how it works? <SyLord> When shared, if done correctly, yes, they can be shared <SyLord> It all depends on the individuals involved <SyLord> maybe you need to do something drastic to find out how it works? - Like what? <uboy> even shared experiences are composed of two individual subjective ones... <SyLord> true <uboy> which can then be reconstructed by them as they each see fit <even> what about auto erotic fatalites like ... that is a really f***ed up ntimentality or onanistic think taken to an extreme eh? <SyLord> Unless you can be truly objectiver <even> objective and subjective are redundant terms <SyLord> remember your quote: nothing to do with anything, exspecially a board <even> oh u looked! :) <SyLord> Of course <SyLord> Im there now, multitasking is fun, about 8 windows open <even> u see sentimentality tend to be what is an optimistic emphasis on the goodness of human beings <even> called? <SyLord> dunno, optimism? <even> no <SyLord> I never thought of rigging up a drag chute for emergency use on those <SyLord> wild corners that edged the cliff could be so exciting. I was never <SyLord> that career orientated either. <even> yes u can paste too eh? <even> we are interested in finding out hoe this 'goodness' folds back in on tself to make people do rash things in the name of self-interested love stuff <SyLord> yes, the implied structure should be accessibility <even> u are miming <SyLord> Im lacking your thought process <even> in what way? not really actually <SyLord> You question is posed, but you placed no answer on the page... <uboy> yes, you seem to be there with us... <uboy> we're not as interested in answers, quite often <even> the answers are on-going <even> its about the process of answering <even> so uboy where to put the furniture? <uboy> well, i guees i thought of them as the background, the set, or sometthing <even> random? like <uboy> on the buffer page maybe... not sure *** SyLord (SyLord@grym.choice.net) has left #sentimental <even> oh well guess s/he was confused? <uboy> possibly... yes <uboy> i guess i need to practice, <uboy> be prepared <even> yes get with it... at least i tried! <uboy> yes, never sure how to present unified front... not necessary perhaps <even> not at all <even> i think its good to plug away at bits we have written to see what develops from that <uboy> you mean for chats with others? <even> yea <uboy> perhaps we should have a more focused agenda, in other words? <uboy> sentimental is too braod... narrow it down <uboy> small topic each time <even> yah... well we have written a lot and though a lot about this stuff already and it needs to progress thru the sentimental toward the autoerotic somehow <even> we need to work toward that connectivity with others... to make the parallel really real <uboy> yes, but perhaps they don't have to get the gist of the whole process <uboy> or project <even> well we are here to mediate or provoke or initiate right? <uboy> we just ask about particulars of something which itself is parallel <uboy> to project <uboy> more props <even> how do these imagined spaces work fot u? <uboy> i meant that the chats themselves would be similar to the way we are useing props <uboy> but... <even> ok... provisional but... <even> yes yes all in the muddy background... but we are to the side (wherever that is) <uboy> right, so we do all of the above, mediate, provoke , initiate; but not feel compelled to get a point across or the general nature of the project <even> well the general point is so fuzzy <even> i am not even sure what it is anymore <even> btw <uboy> yeah, me either... but we'd better just deal in fuzz <uboy> the point is generalities...? <even> well discursive strategies toward a related object or reality that is <uboy> yes, well put <even> but there is more too as there is a specific content we have engaged <even> and we should be dealing with it more i feel <even> -> need stories <uboy> yes, that is the sticking point... <even> need to get that going once the site is on line which i think will be sometime this week <even> maybe <uboy> yes, story generation... is the board working fully <uboy> ? <even> almost <uboy> ok <even> the links are not in place and some layouts are alittle funky <even> daniel ahs to fix them <uboy> once it is... dailies will be going <even> where is the form part on your screen? middle or top? <uboy> working on the other stories as well <uboy> middle <even> shit it should be on top <even> have to re-figure that... thought it was working... hmmm <uboy> sending daliies examples <uboy> they deal with content... but really obliquely i guess. <uboy> well, the more that i write them <uboy> actually, i forgot exactly what i wrote for those two <uboy> but that's the point, maybe, get it out <even> well i quick scanned and they are good... v good <even> poin is taken <uboy> the .wav i will send is part of angora and entropy <uboy> thaks <uboy> thanks <uboy> first i edited pseudo cb conversations <even> oh your voice? <uboy> then i used a speech synthesizer <even> wow <even> so hi tech <uboy> then doctored the whole thing <uboy> silly... <uboy> but sort of nice <even> u are doing all the work... i am the html grunt <uboy> conversations and transmissions <uboy> no, you are doing all the work <even> i need to write (he said with passion in his broken whatever) <uboy> well, once the site is going... i 'm sure you will <uboy> for now, you are doing all very crucial work <even> thanks <uboy> ok, so back to details? <uboy> how about enlarged thumbnails for each bufferpage. is that still the plan? <even> not really <even> i reckon there are enough pics now, eh? <uboy> yeah, true... so a little preview, then? <even> yes in words? <uboy> just a few... have to keep it light <even> thats what i was asking an hour ago :) <uboy> like the ralph buffer is nice <uboy> yes... time flies when having fun <even> well i reckon we could still add some space imagined stuff too? lower down? <uboy> i thought that a common thread , like the quasi architechtural setting, might help <uboy> to unite <uboy> or give the felling of entering a new area <even> that is important <uboy> or really suggesting that the stories are there for us alongside something else <uboy> like there's something more than just the posting of our literary talents <even> the something else will need to be making it work for us so we can use this to make things right? <uboy> yes, god i'm hoping <even> it is a transition thing <uboy> it will all work... <even> we can do it <uboy> between content and form? <even> no <even> they are one, irrelevant, the same, beside eachother etc <even> but yes between i suppose <uboy> yes <even> so anyway... <uboy> yeah <uboy> just going over that in my mind <even> what else to do for the moment apart from wiring the site...ie old pages <uboy> not sure i follow <uboy> what to do with old pages? <even> add more? <even> make the buttons work *** nikkye (unknow@ppp100.minfo.net) has joined #sentimental <uboy> yeah, i guess that not everything is linked yet... *** nikkye (unknow@ppp100.minfo.net) has left #sentimental <uboy> yikes.. thought we had one <even> hehehe <uboy> well, i guess that everything is inplace with the site, really <even> we just need to make it grow <uboy> details <uboy> yes, now it's time for it to do it's thing <uboy> (no)thing <even> ? <uboy> story areas will grow... no doubt <even> yes the arthouse gets traffic and we will plug away <uboy> just recalling old rhetoric <even> but the plan area needs consideration <uboy> stuff will accumulate... but yes the plan how will we go from stuff to art? <even> just pics and no words... quick stills of have made stuff? <uboy> do we document and link from plan area back to source of idea? <uboy> in conversations/ stories etc? <even> maybe if there is a direct connection but not really i think as it would make it too easy and comprehendable then <uboy> true <uboy> i like just images, actually... words are everywhere else <uboy> in the site <even> my dad has bough a digital video camera to film my nephew! <even> will use of course <even> if i can figure out how <uboy> but, on the other hand ... i don't want to imply that old idea that the object syas it all, encapsulates and relates everything. <uboy> does that concern you? <uboy> whoa... very neat. we are set.. as far as video <even> but they side by side thing has to be let happen <even> links would prevent that by explaining too much... unless they are the wrong links? <uboy> good point... no links are better <uboy> not having links links, i mean <uboy> just images <even> well maybe the wrong ones would be ok? <uboy> maybe, but people might think they are the right ones and stil make connections that way <uboy> thye'd be wrong, but still look right <even> hmmm true <even> maybe not then <even> i have to go soon <uboy> now after thinking about it, i like the idea of pics of all the little srcaps and bits i've been doing here <uboy> ]3-d things and rigs, and actions etc. <uboy> anti-heroic <even> yup <uboy> ok, going out tonight? <even> just to see a friend who is off back to London - Linsey from IMMA <uboy> ok <even> so i will try plug and padd with bits and wire the story pages <uboy> btw, had thanksgiving dinner at the director's place in queens ... one of the graham artists was there... good guuy. turns out he was friends with felix and fabricated a lot of felix's stuff <uboy> all the light bulb strings <uboy> and several go-go platforms <even> wow <even> does he make decent art himself? <even> u networker u :) <uboy> yeah, he's good. but very different from felix <uboy> a lot of lace drawings... very detailed , intricate <uboy> anyway, <even> need to meet with Niall to do dates, he's been busy with the arts council grant thing which is now over <uboy> yes, let me know about that <even> so should firm up everything this week finally ... hopefully <uboy> the dates, i mean <uboy> ]and grant too <even> $$$$$$ would be nice <uboy> yes yes <uboy> so, we will crank daily when board is up <even> we need to also discuss if we are making BIG things or little things to negociate the architecture and if big look for coverage stuf <uboy> yes, right now i'm thinking mostly big... with little here and there <even> me too as the building is so dominant <uboy> yeah, it's a beauty <even> so we will need sponsorship to buy coverage materials of some sort whether plastic or fabric or whatever <uboy> yes, that scrap yard stuff sounded great <even> need to go look for more <uboy> i also like the idea that it may be used in the actual remodel <even> but think other fire-proof materials that fill or structures that will fill airspace <uboy> or, could be <uboy> rather <even> the re-model will no happen at our time i reckon <even> but we can make it look like something like that is happening <uboy> even better <even> the physical provisional <uboy> all lightweight and readily available around your area <even> indeed <even> u wont be shipping it in at any rate <uboy> exactly <uboy> anything i make here will be super light weight <even> so self rescue mechanisms? <uboy> wax or foam <even> what do they look like? <uboy> well, they can be minute details or larger scenarios.. <uboy> something that isolates or connects perhaps <even> i think everthing should be titled self rescue mechanism <even> so i must go buddy <uboy> yes, and then numbered.. or distinguisehed.? red srm... srm #4? <uboy> ok <even> yup <uboy> johnny's srm <even> so when next? wednesday? i am off to Limerick on Thurs for that show <uboy> well, goodnight... next chat? <even> must pack the work tonight <uboy> yes, weds is good for me <even> ok then <uboy> usual time... or in the morning? <even> usual <uboy> ok sounds good.. see you then <even> k <even> e-mail me some thoughts <even> on the site <uboy> yes, and .wav and other things... <even> kk <uboy> bye <even> bye Session Close: Sun Nov 30 18:01:21 1997